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What Judge Prosser Asked Us To Do

June 30th, 2008 by ODLLC

A short but interesting open forum kicked off the June 23rd meeting of LHCC’s board. The Bemis case was on a few minds. A woman named Pat, a member of the Alliance to Save Lake Holiday, encouraged owners to send out emails to support the passage of Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel’s now tabled special interest legislation. Pat’s effort to support a side in the case was confusing to some audience members, because Pat, as a member of the Alliance, is on both sides. She, like every Alliance and Friends of Lake Holiday member, is both a defendant and a plaintiff.

Here are some excerpts of the discussion:

Property Owner: Which position are you supporting, the plaintiff or the defendant? Because from what I understand you’re both.

Alliance Member Pat: You’re asking who I’m with?

Property Owner: You’re telling us to go out and support “our” side. Ok, is it the plaintiffs’ side or the defendants’ side, because the way I understand it, most of the people here are on both sides.

Tom Wallace: You indicated that people are on both sides. There are people on both sides. We’re the defendants. The board is …

Property Owner: They have also cross-claimed as plaintiffs.

Tom Wallace: That doesn’t mean anything except…

Property Owner: It means that they’ve cross-claimed as plaintiffs so they’re on both sides.

Tom Wallace: Only a few of them.

Wayne Poyer: That has nothing to do with plaintiff, that’s a cross-claim. But you are technically correct. We don’t consider…I don’t think anybody who has made a cross-claim or counter-claim considers themselves part of the plaintiffs’ group.

Property Owner: Then why are they cross-claiming?

Wayne Poyer: Because that’s what Judge Prosser asked us to do.

Every member of the Alliance to Save Lake Holiday and every member of Friends of Lake Holiday has filed a cross-claim. That means every member of the Alliance and every member of Friends is a plaintiff against LHCC, the very organization they claim to be trying to save. The “Crossclaim against LHCC” for all Alliance members can be found buried on page 23 near the very end of their filing, and the cross-claim for all Friends members can be found in their pleading, “Cross Claim Against Defendant Lake Holiday Country Club Inc.” The cross-claims effectively repeat the arguments made by the original Bemis plaintiffs and make every party to the cross-claim a plaintiff.

These 2 groups include many former directors, every past president in recent memory, and every current director except Ken Murphy. In other words, in a case alleging that LHCC, run by its directors, has illegally collected assessments not authorized in the owners’ deeds, 10 of 11 current directors who are charged with collecting those assessments have adopted the position that LHCC has collected and is continuing to illegally collect assessments not authorized in the owners’ deeds. If that sounds ridiculous, it’s because it is.

Both current LHCC President Wayne Poyer and Tom Wallace, a former LHCC director, are members of the Friends group. When Wallace replied “only a few” in response to the comment about the position taken by current directors, he was wildly inaccurate. He also failed to mention that he himself is a plaintiff against LHCC. Was his distortion intentional? Or have pleadings been filed in his name that he doesn’t have knowledge of or agree with?

The exchange shown on the video triggered an email from a homeowner to Wayne Travell, the attorney representing the Bemis plaintiffs. The homeowner was troubled by Poyer’s statement that he did “what Judge Prosser asked him to do.”

This just didn’t seem right to me. I don’t know much about law, but it seems to me this is out of line.

Below is Travell’s reply:

Wayne Travell to Troubled Homeowner 6/27/08

Travell responded that “Mr. Poyer has never directly addressed the judge in open court nor vice versa.” He added that he does not believe the judge has engaged nor would engage in private communications with Poyer.

Wayne Poyer openly told his own neighbors at a public meeting that the judge in an active case asked him to take a particular course of action. Poyer suggested his status as a plaintiff was just a technicality. Former director Tom Wallace didn’t candidly acknowledge he is a plaintiff and distorted that 10 of 11 current directors share that position with him. Even Alliance member Pat failed to mention that she is a plaintiff.

How can homeowners separate fact from fiction with leaders like these?

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  1. Bill Masters posted the following on July 1, 2008 at 12:10 pm.

    While all too many have not kept abreast of the current affairs it is imperative that those that have make a concerted effort to change this by contacting everyone you know pointing out that full participation is the only route to needed change. The most positive and direct route to increase our property values is to insure that our governing board members not only have the ability but practice and demonstrate this ability in an open manor. The question you must ask yourself is would you trust or allow anyone on the board to handle your personal bank account and financials? They are you know, they are controlling one of the biggest investments of your life, your home.

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Jill Holtzman Vogel’s VA POA Act Amendment Is Tabled

June 27th, 2008 by ODLLC

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-27)
Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel’s (R-27) emergency effort to amend Virginia’s Property Owners’ Association Act has been tabled for the special session still going on in Richmond. Her bill, SB6016 (our link is to a PDF redlined version of her bill provided to us by her office), Virginia Property Owners Association Act; reformation of declarations, was originally introduced in the Senate on Monday 6/23, where it was quickly referred to the Committee on General Laws and Technology. At a vote of that committee on Tuesday, the bill was reported out, or sent to the full senate. On Wednesday 6/25, the first vote on the measure in the full senate failed, but after a recess, a second attempt narrowly approved the measure by a single vote.

Following approval in the Senate, SB 6016 made its way to the House of Delegates, where it ended up in the Committee on General Laws. The next stop: the Housing Commission. And that’s where it stopped. Both we and others raised a number of concerns about the proposed legislation, perhaps the biggest of which was a serious question of constitutionality at the state and federal levels. The Housing Commission unanimously decided to table the bill for the remainder of this special session.

According to the Winchester Star, “Vogel repeatedly has stated that her bill is not related to an ongoing lawsuit against Lake Holiday Country Club Inc.” She continues to maintain this position. Bob Diamond, an attorney from Reed Smith representing Miller & Smith, and an attorney from Rees Broome, who happens to represent LHCC, were among the very few attendees commenting to the commission. Given their Tyson’s Corner offices are about 2 hours from Richmond, it’s an odd coincidence that attorneys for 2 defendants in a lawsuit happen to be about the only ones showing up to champion a bill that its chief senate patron said is “not related” to that lawsuit.

Start to nothing in 4 days. The legislative process is pretty quick in a special session.

We’ll discuss this further in due course.

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  1. Connie Olson posted the following on June 27, 2008 at 8:11 am.

    I have seen the denials of Senator Vogel about her bill not being triggered by litigation, but I have not seen any statement from her explaining why this bill was so urgent to require introduction in special session without committee hearings and due process. Are her denials just political spin?

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  2. steve posted the following on June 29, 2008 at 5:44 pm.

    Jill Holtzman Vogel is only one talking about emergency POA issues because none exist. It’s easy for Jill to drum up problems with the POA act at a Lake Holiday scripted setting, but Jill’s special interest bill was a foolish adventure to rescue a big developer in active litigation. She admits to not understanding POA issues and does not seek out House members with greater POA experience - she has none. Her bill, and the entire Vogel story doesn’t pass the laugh test. Jill Vogel is a sleazy developer friendly politican and voters need to remember that come election time!

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Jill Holtzman Vogel Rushes To Help Out Big Developer

June 22nd, 2008 by ODLLC

Virginia state senator Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-27) plans to introduce special interest legislation next week to amend Virginia’s Property Owners’ Association Act (POA Act) whose sole purpose is to affect the outcome of active litigation in Frederick County.

Vogel’s proposed legislation:

  • Was originally drafted by the attorneys for Miller & Smith, a big northern Virginia developer and one of the defendants in the lawsuit;
  • Is an attempt to get around 3 Virginia Supreme Court decisions over more than a decade;
  • Is inconsistent with well-settled Virginia property law and at odds with the state constitution; and
  • Will impact the property rights and values of owners in more than 9100 community associations throughout the state.

Vogel herself:

  • Is a public policy lawyer, and by her own admission to plaintiffs’ counsel, does not have the knowledge or experience to hastily tinker with property law;
  • Hasn’t had the time to fully evaluate the unintended consequences on property owners in more than 9100 community associations across the state;
  • Repeatedly masks her efforts as a small “fix” to a definition in the POA Act; and
  • Is trying to slip her legislation through in a very short special session of the legislature focused on transportation issues - a completely unrelated matter.

All that’s bad enough. What’s even more troubling is how she’s used the media to distort what’s behind her efforts and to distort how the plaintiffs regard her inappropriate meddling in active litigation.

A Timeline To Vogel’s Legislation to Bail-Out a Big Northern VA Developer
Date Event
1996-2007 Miller & Smith is a donor to Sen. Richard Saslaw (D-35).
? According to Vogel, Saslaw encourages her to undertake this project and offers the story that his personal doctor asked him to help out. She commits to him to introduce the legislation.
6/4/08 LHCC announces Vogel would hold an “open meeting” to “discuss the Bemis lawsuit and its impact”, moderated by local attorney Mark Stivers, counsel for a group of defendants.
6/10/08 Wayne Travell, plaintiffs’ counsel, emails Mark Stivers and asks if he can attend.
6/12/08 After getting no response from Stivers, Travell faxes him a letter.
6/16/08 Travell receives Stivers’ response. The reply: Travell is not welcome at Vogel’s allegedly “open meeting”, all of which is well documented.
6/18/08 Travell informs Vogel by telephone conversation and emailed letter that he’s being kept out of her “open meeting”.
6/18/08 4:39 pm Vogel provides Travell a copy of draft language she said had been written by lawyers at Reed Smith, counsel for Miller & Smith (a big northern Virginia developer).
6/18/08 6:00 pm Vogel holds her allegedly “open meeting” and, according to newspaper reports in both the Winchester Star and NV Daily, commits to introduce legislation at a meeting whose announced purpose was to be a moderated discussion. According to a property owner at the meeting, in response to a question on the appropriateness of her intervention, Vogel said that the Virginia Attorney General declined to assist her office, citing ongoing litigation.
6/19/08 10:30 am Vogel meets with plaintiffs’ counsel for the first time and acknowledges that she is not a real estate lawyer, did not understand the lawsuit and the POA Act, and that her first draft of the legislation was provided by lawyers for another party to the lawsuit. Plaintiffs’ counsel tell Vogel they are deeply troubled by her plan and urge her to stop.
6/20/08 Vogel tells the Winchester Star that the plaintiffs are “super-excited” by her efforts, despite repeated communications with plaintiffs’ counsel expressing they viewed her plans as inappropriate meddling in active litigation.

Let’s be absolutely clear. The plaintiffs are not “super-excited” by Jill Vogel’s efforts. They’re very troubled a sitting state senator would even contemplate introducing legislation drafted by 1 side of an active court case to attempt to re-write Virginia law in an area where she has acknowledged she lacks both experience and background, let alone publicly commit to doing so. She exposed her own lack of background when she described the POA Act as “almost 40 years old.” The POA Act was first enacted by the Virginia legislature in 1989, making it 19 - not almost 40 - years old. It’s a clear abuse of the legislative process when poorly informed legislators try to pass legislation to tip a pending court case that could, if enacted, end up having widespread, unintended consequences and upset well-settled Virginia law.

The Winchester Star reported Vogel said:

I don’t want to mess up what the plaintiffs otherwise want to gain.

That’s disingenuous nonsense. Wayne Travell, plaintiff’s counsel, in a face-to-face meeting, in phone conversations, and in multiple email messages unambiguously communicated to Vogel that the plaintiffs opposed her inappropriate intervention. After reading Saturday’s Winchester Star, Travell emailed Vogel to express that he was “shocked” at what he read. Of Vogel’s characterization of the plaintiffs’ position, Travell wrote:

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Vogel chose to interfere in an active court case. Her interference was prompted by the request of 1 side, not all sides, and was accompanied by strong and repeated requests by plaintiffs that she abandon her ill-advised plan. Those facts don’t square at all with her own statement that she is not trying to “mess up” the plaintiffs’ position in an active case. That is exactly what her legislation is all about: messing up 1 side for the benefit of the other, which just happens to be that of a big developer.

Vogel committed to proposing new legislation before even meeting with counsel for plaintiffs, so she could not possibly have understood what plaintiffs “want to gain” before deciding to intervene. She accepted draft legislation from the lawyers for 1 side. Despite learning before the allegedly “open meeting” that counsel for the plaintiffs would not be allowed to attend, she went ahead and held her meeting anyway. Later that same night, the lawyers that drafted her legislation called her to say that their own language wouldn’t solve their legal problems, so she’d have to come up with something else to fix their troubles. For a legislative session that starts on Monday, June 23rd, Vogel has been unable to provide a copy of her proposed legislation at this writing - late in the afternoon on the day before.

Local attorney Mark Stivers told the Winchester Star that he believes LHCC is a property owners’ association that falls under Virginia’s POA Act. If he really believes that, why is there so much effort spent to change the law? If the law is on your side, why do you need to change it?

Jill Holtzman Vogel is interfering because the law is clear and settled. And the big developer that Jill Holtzman Vogel has decided to help out doesn’t like that.

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  1. jean westler posted the following on June 23, 2008 at 4:49 pm.

    I’d rate it a 10 for being informative and including a sequence of events. I wondered how long it would take for Vogel to show her true colors. To whom and how do we express our objection to this law (or should I say “violation” of the law) being introduced?

    JW

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    1. fremming posted the following on June 24, 2008 at 8:09 am.

      objections should be transmitted via phone to 662-4551. this is the number for senator vogel’s winchester office. let her know what you think of the legislation.

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No Serious Discussion Tolerated

June 17th, 2008 by ODLLC

The news according to LHCC: a meeting, open to any property owner, will be held on June 18th to discuss the impact of the Bemis lawsuit on Lake Holiday. Mark Stivers will “moderate” the discussion.

LHCC News Announcement of Vogel Meeting

A simple, polite request to offer an other perspective:

Travell to Stivers Email 06/10/08

With the simple request unanswered, a renewed request sent by fax:

Travell to Stivers Letter 06/12/08

A terse reply, sent by regular mail:

Stivers to Travell Letter 06/13/08

The meeting is billed as a moderated, open discussion of the impact of the Bemis lawsuit. It will be just a one-sided, controlled series of speeches by Stivers and others to advocate their positions. When you have to lure people, including a state senator, to a meeting by promoting it as something it’s not and your views can’t withstand polite discussion, you’re on shaky ground.

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  1. Juan H posted the following on June 17, 2008 at 12:37 pm.

    As a resident, homeowner and someone who would love for this lawsuit to go away, I think it would have been prudent and maybe even beneficial (not to mention fair) to hear the plaintiff’s side in an open forum.

    I am no attorney, but as a person of reason, this would have shed more light on the subject.

    Just my opinion.

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  2. sick_of_the_nonsense posted the following on June 17, 2008 at 1:02 pm.

    It’s another scripted event by our Board designed to bring in cash for lawyers. Sing the fight song with a state senator and jump onboard with the embattled Board of Directors. Sign up to drag the community thru HELL so the big egos on the Board never have to admit collecting Millions in dues without authorization. What a big bunch of babies!

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  3. tm posted the following on June 17, 2008 at 4:42 pm.

    The board dictatorship will never let anyone show and disrupt their little scripted sideshows. They retain power by controlling the flow of information at these events. Residents always hear the twisted side of things and the other side is mocked into silence or going away.

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  4. Sam posted the following on June 18, 2008 at 12:59 am.

    Sounds to me like there is too many people in here that have let a title from the homeowners association go to thier head. Big deal folks you have to pull down your pants to sit on the thrown just like the rest of us bums….We had persons in the fireservie that forgot where they came from when they got promoted and put on a badge, We called them badge heavy, seems to me that the director and his followers are badge heavy and need to be reminded where they came from or done away with. I think this palce could use some freash air and new mangagement. It wasn’t this screwed up back in the 80s and early 90s…I am no Carl Simms fan, but it got a lot worse after he left. I would disban the current home owners assocication and re-organize into a new organization and let people live, there are too many rules in here, dam..we are suppossed to own our homes, and I for one don’t want to be dictated to when I can pant my house or to cut down a dead tree or one that threatens my house. Playing “mother may I?” is for kids, not home owners.
    I have been in and around this community since 1982, it was better off with the roads open and less rules. LET PEOPLE LIVE THIER lives. You want to spend money and control things- put it where it will do some good. We are a closed community under state law we qualify to have are own community “CAMPUS, stlye” Police force, we also need our own fire and EMS department, but instead of doing things that are possitive for the people who live here, money accounting is questionable at best and funds are waisted on unimportant things like tote bags? WTF? Get your heads out of your back sides. Like my dad used to say..”Sh…t or get off the pot” If you can’t do the job step aside and let some else in that can. After 30 plus years in public safety if I treated my patients as a Paramedic like the way things are run in here, I think all my patients would have died.
    It’s just a title don’t let it go to your head, either do the job right or hang it up. It’s really a shame when realtors HAVE to tell thier clinets beware of Lake Holiday and the politics, that it might become an OPEN community…I got to say at this point good let it, because all thats going on now is a lot of waited money and useless bickering between folks who want to be”?” and those who think they are”?”…. God knows what.

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  5. Sam posted the following on June 18, 2008 at 1:47 am.

    It would be nice if we focused our energy on planning and growth. Gee with gas prices the way they are, doesn’t make more sense to try an intice some small grocery chain like IGA to come in and open a store, wouldn’t be nice if there was some sort of restaraunt by the lake or marina, a home sytle dinner or something that also offered some sea food? There used to be a snakshop and Grill at the community center, after it was the Proshop what happend to that? ANY thing is better then what we have going on now…constant in fighting.
    If Lake of the Woods can organize to grow their community for the property owners, we certainly should be able to, after all we are the only lake community of this size in Frederick County or anywhere else in the Northern Shenandoah region. We have something special out here, but who could tell? We should at least have some modern ammenities and shopping areas. Lake of the Woods and Smith Mountain Lake have thier own public safety agencies and or fire and EMS departments. But with all this fighting going on it’s easy to see how it’s too difficult to help your neighbor or think about planned growth.
    There are so many empty homes in here that are deteriorating, homes with severe water damage and mold, these are only hurting our community and pose a fire / health and safety risk. Several homes on Master, a brand new home on Nordic and homes on Lake View, you can’t get home loans on many of these homes becasue of the mold and damage. There are brand new homes in here that have been sitting empty for 2 years or more since being built. Why is this? With the phony politics in here and fighting going on, might be a good reason. These are some more important things to work on, then other areas being squandered on. There is even an opportunity for the community to make money on these properties as rental if the home owners association bought these and kept them up. It’s better then letting them sit and go to waste.
    My point is this is a small list of things we could be focused on, instead of the the things being argued over and which is more productive? People who know far more then I do, maybe could come up with a more productive list, that is if their titles don’t get in the way of thinking. One of the sayings we said in the Fire service in Northern Va..”common sense isn’t that common”..

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This Has To Stop

June 15th, 2008 by ODLLC

May 15, 2008 Budget Meeting
Whatever one may think of John Martel, he consistently manages to come up with great one-liners. Mind you, they’re not going to be heard on the big movie screen anytime soon. They’re just pithy observations on the problems at Lake Holiday. We took the title of this post from his remarks on the issue of ordering tote bags for new owners for the Welcoming Committee.

Too many bags were ordered at a price double what they should have cost because the wrong person ordered the bags.

Wayne Poyer described the mix-up:

A batch of bags was ordered which, based on the rate of people coming into the community, it’s going to last about 40 years.

As Martel said: “this has to stop, this has to stop.” We’ll go out on a limb and guess that the Welcoming Committee only welcomes new homeowners and not new membership lot owners with one of the too many totes ordered at an exorbitant cost.

The budget review was made a little more difficult when it was discovered that one of Mike Kilmer’s staff incorrectly coded an expense item as an income item. Robin Pedlar thought Kilmer’s firm was “overpaid.” According to Martel, the distribution of work between the LHCC office and Kilmer’s firm has created problems. His view:

It’s hard to sort out who’s doing what to whom.

Kilmer’s firm is paid $4250 per month (an annual rate of over $50,000), and the board was reviewing other cutbacks to balance the budget at the May 15th budget meeting. Despite that, Pat Shields didn’t think that meeting was the appropriate time to address the value of Kilmer’s services.

In the video of overpaying for too many tote bags, Robin Pedlar worried:

If this is indicative of how phony all the numbers could be, it scares me.

She was not alone in her concern about sloppy accounting. Wayne Poyer asked somewhat rhetorically:

How bad is our accounting?

Let’s look at one area, the relationship